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Tural wrote:You really can't appoint unknown, do-nothing staff members on such a large site. They need those qualities.

On top of that, staff isn't the make-or-break point for the community's attitude. Say you removed me and Veegie from the staff. That wouldn't change anything. We'd still post exactly the same, we'd still have the same personality. The non-staff community is more ruthless than the staff is. The only thing you would gain out of changing staff is that you'd have less rules being enforced. You'd have bad staff, but good people. I'm a good staff member, it is not my position you dislike, it is my personality. I enforce the rules well, and go about the staff duties well. That is not your issue, and a lot of people get confused in how they talk about it. Your problem is not with the staff, it is with the personalities, which would not change, regardless of position.

The whole issue, as I see it, is size. Halomods is huge. There are hundreds of new members every month, some of them idiots, some of them will become good, upstanding members later on, some will ask a question, get an answer, and never come back because they don't care. In small communities, take this site or Yayap for example, you have very little need for any rules at all. The people who visit them are already established when they get there, and can converse freely without the interruption of the lessers and whatnot. A small community will always be superior in attitude to a large one, because there is less need for discipline from staff, as the members there already know how to behave and get along. On a site like Halomods, most of the rule-breakers are new members, members nobody knows. Occasionally you get the higher-up member being a douche for whatever reason, but for the most part, they go about their business without issue. If you take the best, the known members, and place them elsewhere, such as this site, they will always be more productive and more friendly than when they have to deal with the annoyances of the ten thousand other members in their way. It's so much easier to manage. On the flip side, take a site where the worst go. The people who get banned from Halomods on their first day because they show up and post a 3ds keygen while simultaneously telling you to fellate their genitals end up at places like Seven Sins. Seven Sins has a terrible community. It's full of idiots, cheaters, and douchebags. Are they good people there? Absolutely. I'm not stating they are bad, I am stating that that's the kind of place you end up with when you take the worst members. If any site takes the top members and maintains a small size, it will always be able to look down on the larger site as a whole, because it truly is better relatively. It's mostly common sense. Good + Good = Great. Good + Terrible = Meh.

The point is, HM is being looked down upon because it is larger, and the people there are not simply those who have proven themselves to be good, the majority is people who couldn't care less and will do whatever they want because they like to be dicks.

I think I could have summed that all up in one or two sentences, but I started on a stream of consciousness and got lost somewhere.
The sign of a good writer ;p

Your right in most ways of course: but your wrong/or my view is jaded/ because everyone at halomods rewally gets on my case whenever I put a toe out of line. That post where I berated that user for his terrible, and purposeful mis-use of grammar and spelling--everyone jumped down my throat because of my allusion to remnant...

Same with that graphics post, for DEEHunters avatar; Got jumped on because I uploaded it to halomods...
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The first was because you fought back, saying you weren't advertising, when you were. Directly telling someone "Come to Remnant" is an advertisement. You are directly referring them to your site in your post.

The latter you could have easily fixed, you chose not to, and even admitted that you responded poorly initially.
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I posted the latter thread at 3:00am and fell asleep.
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So if we take some shit and new members from HM there'd be a balance on each website that's what we can conclude of your theory Tural...

No, i am just kidding :p
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JacksonCougar wrote:I posted the latter thread at 3:00am and fell asleep.
You replied about 30 minutes after Ombre posted, and then there was a 20 minute period after that before it was locked. You had plenty of time to click a few buttons and upload it somewhere else. Instead of doing that, you replied to the thread and chose to leave it as it was.
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Theres no way I replied 30 minutes later, and if so that night happened in a different way then I remember XD
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Your second post was 22 minutes after Ombre posted, 54 minutes after you made the thread. You then again replied 6 minutes later.
The thread was locked 20 minutes after your second reply. You had a time period of exactly 60 minutes in which you were posting, but chose not to simply upload the image elsewhere.
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That just does not seem right...
But I'll take your word for it.
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We can't fake post times. Go look for yourself.
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Oh no I believe you Tural it just seems odd I would stay awake for an hour after posting that. I was sure I went to sleep within 20mins, but I guess I lost track of time ;p
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Man, you and INSANEdrive can just not get along, can you?

Why would you threaten to delete his posts? I can understand if it's out of anger or frustration that you would claim to do that, but I can't seem to find a purpose that it would serve.
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I find it somewhat amusing that I typed out a post and then deleted it because I felt it looked like crap, only to have Tural post almost the exactly the same thing later (albeit a lot longer).

So yeah, Turals big post there basically summed up my opinion: Bigger site = Chaotic behavior, Smaller site = tight-knit group of friends where little punishment is necessary, and it's for that reason that sites like this need to exist.
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Kirk wrote:So yeah, Turals big post there basically summed up my opinion: Bigger site = Chaotic behavior, Smaller site = tight-knit group of friends where little punishment is necessary, and it's for that reason that sites like this need to exist.
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Aumaan Anubis wrote:...

Man, you and INSANEdrive can just not get along, can you?

Why would you threaten to delete his posts? I can understand if it's out of anger or frustration that you would claim to do that, but I can't seem to find a purpose that it would serve.
ID is going out of his way to start fights. He makes claims with no evidence, citing only "That's the way it is." He's attacking opinions of others for the sake of arguing, as his side of the discussion has no content. That said, if he continued after warned, continued starting arguments, his posts will be removed. I'm not going to sit around while he makes baseless attacks on everyone just to start fights. Why would I not delete his posts if he's posting with the sole intent of fighting, which he is. He stated he doesn't care about politics, and yet he attacks everyone about it. He's doing it to fight, and nothing more. It is intolerable.
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E73RN4L, that was pretty dead on. Especially the part where Halomods isn't really one community, but multiple communities. I'm not trying to sound like I get insulted by this, but there's hardly any respect at all on that website. I could care less if anyone respects me or not, but it's rediculous to see all the fights that go on there over nothing. I get tired of seeing "no u r ignorant an u shut up", "no u bitch", etc. Some people fail to just grow up and be the better person and just let it go.
I'll admit, yes, I caused some drama on the website (or at least contributed).. Really it was before the merge in the Users Forum where nothing went on anyways. But there's just one point in time where you have to wake up and not give a damn about who says what about you, because in the long run, what does it matter? Especially on the internet.
So I do like smaller communities like this a lot more, but for some reason, I can't stop going to Halomods.
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E73RN4L wrote: The infamous tutorials section. There are some real trash tutorials on there. i counted 6 'tuts' on 2 pages that every response was 'this doesnt work', yet they exist in tuts, taking up room, making it harder to find stuff needed.
When people says "this doesn't work" it's because the don't get the tutorial, and that's not really asking for help, they should re-read the tutorial and try again, it happens to me on some tutorials at halomods, tutorials are not organised by difficulty levels because it cannot, then a beginner can try to follow the tutorial and fail, it can be because of the tools that are not perfect, chunk cloner on entity per example, it doesn't always work fine...

Same for Outstanding mods, i don't think those are garbage, what makes it look like garbage it's the fact that most common of those mods on outstanding are mods made by moderators, admins, people that makes apps or the modding team Delta Halo that was formed by modders and HM moderators.
There wasn't almost any new mod from a modder that wasn't a moderator or a Delta Halo member, it's not anymore updated and it sucks, same for "Hall of Fame"
E73RN4L wrote: You cant upload your pictures for anything regarding mods onto halomods. Well, thats a great fuking way to have ugly ass posts, useless tuts, and other garbage floating around a website. Broken links. If they are so worried about database size then get rid of the garbage.

The community is the members. Remeber that.
Don't say that, you don't have to pay a server that can support thousands of users logged-in the forums at the same time, that means a lot of sql request to the servers which means that the server needs a lot of ram, a good cpu good HDD and it cost a lot.
Members doesn't pay for the host, moderators do their job(well or not...) but for free.
E73RN4L wrote: Now i also understand that there are alot of douchebag memebers on alot of sites, including hm's, and those people are sometimes hard to weed out. But thats why there ARE moderators. They have been asked to police the community, by the community. Some of them fail to remeber that.
Yes i acted like a douchebag at HM agaisnt Tural or Veegie but they overuse of their mod rights, they put me in RC and quote all my arguments to destroy it and lock the topic, how easy to humiliate someone like that, that's just so low, and i got RC for a stupid link, they now think they even have rights of copyright on everything and a total control at HM... that's why i flammed em by PM...

In the rest you said i agree but you can't come like this and say whatever you want, the different is that there's been people modding for years and they never got respect because they didn't know the moderators or the "l33t groups" which yes indeed sucks, now this is why remnant exist, however it isn't easy to keep a peaceful forum where everyone share their knowledge and their mods, that's what i do though but i don't see anyone using my tutorials yet, a lot of people asking "how do you do this" i do a tutorial they say "cool i'll use it" but the fact is it isn't which doesn't encourage me to make more tuts.
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Actually neodos, I've read your tuts :p I'm trying to take up everything I can here. I find it more resourceful than Halomods in some ways. I'm just trying to work my time to actually try things out.
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E73RN4L wrote:but who really decides what goes in there? The moderators. Heres a classic for you. T-Beezie has made some great mods, but Black ops MP? I know a SHITLOAD of people groaned about that, because it really is garbage. The layout is bad. its 3/4's daylight and the sniper rifle has night vision? WTF FTW...lol
That is an ignorant statement.
1. TBeezie was never a moderator
2. Did you ever play Black ops MP? Is the best AI mod there is...
3. And I don't recall any groaning :?
4. 3/4 daylight? wtf. you've got the brightness on your tv far too high.
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Ranting is a huge portion of this thread and I believe it has its rights considering the name; however, ranting without any facts and pure complaining about things you personally don't like are for custom threads, IMO of course :wink:

haha, that was intended to be toward E73RN4L. ^

I usually rant in my own topics so they don't effect any others. :lol:

We all have our opinions and so it is all good. I would personally just refrain from starting an argument.
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Eek, don't create an argument! Seriously, there is no reason to have heat between each other. :hmm:
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neodos wrote:Yes i acted like a douchebag at HM agaisnt Tural or Veegie but they overuse of their mod rights, they put me in RC and quote all my arguments to destroy it and lock the topic, how easy to humiliate someone like that, that's just so low, and i got RC for a stupid link, they now think they even have rights of copyright on everything and a total control at HM... that's why i flammed em by PM...
I don't like that you come here and tell one side of the story, hoping for support from your fellow Anti-HM members. There was not one, but two threads with the clear rules about posting the modification. You posted a link to it even after there were two threads stating not to, and you admitted that you did not read the rules. You blamed me for not forcing members to read the rules. How would I do that? I have no way, at all, to require someone to read a thread. The thread has a 'New Post' icon, which should be incentive to read it. I even left one thread unstickied for a while, because I know people tend to skip the stickies. I gave two chances to help people avoid breaking the rule. You still did it. Furthermore, nothing has anything to do with copyrights here. We're enforcing it out of respect for the creators, who are, in layman's terms, being ripped off. Their work has been leaked, resaved (Eliminating their name from the author field), and published for everyone to take. It's complete douchbaggery that people are circulating those mods against the wishes of the creators. You are criticizing us for being respectful of an author. If someone took one of your mods, released it against your will, and claimed it as their own, would you say "Well, let them post it." I think not. You'd want it enforced as any other, and anyone would likely say the same (Anyone who says otherwise is just looking for a stupid argument. Nobody wants their shit stolen.). If you're going to make such claims, at least be reasonable about it. Your entire claim is "I didn't read the rules, then they punished me because I did something against the rules, and I don't like being punished, so they are wrong." DoorM4n is exactly right in his references to, if you're making claims, requiring facts to support them, rather than just shouting with opinions, asserting that they are validification for your claims. DoorM4n is probably one of the most reasonable people I've ever argued with, I'd advise you to take his advice. He's the best of both worlds, I like that he's smart and reasonable, you like that he hates me. We both win.
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lol; don't even bring that up.
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No offense intended, but making an argument that includes grammar/insults someone's spelling just isn't smart.
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I'm not really bothered about most of this arguement but....
E73RN4L wrote:1. I never said he was
the following implies that he was a moderator and decided to put it in outstanding...
E73RN4L wrote:The moderators. Heres a classic for you. T-Beezie has made some great mods, but Black ops MP? I know a SHITLOAD of people groaned about that, because it really is garbage. The layout is bad. its 3/4's daylight and the sniper rifle has night vision? WTF FTW...lol
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NightOps was seriously one of top 25 mods ever made. I only played it for 2 minutes and my jaw fell to the ground because of all the time put into it.
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